morning thoughts...

Markets move into an oversold zone and near to positive divergence and important gann dates this week

Sharp upsides are possible in few days

We would buy nifty , bank nifty , index options on any dips 

Stocks like jubilant foods , upl , national aluminium , indian hotels ,ramco cements can move up

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Our bank nifty does 1000++

Nifty does 450++

Mrpl  170 ++

Jsw steel does 35++

Jubilant food does 25++

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We are long in index and few call options

morning thoughts...

The sell off by fiis in october is the largest in last few years and october is the always the month of corrections with intermediate bounces 

The same pattern is likely to continue with some bounces in between 

However this is the best period to accumulate good value stocks and hold with patience as nothing has changed and the bull market will continue after correction and few days and months

Only those who have patience and conviction will make fortunes as money is always made by buying in bear markets and holding with patience

The mistake people do is they fear when markets fall and believe that its the end of the world , but that doesnt happens and its not the way things work out

Things and time changes and those who buy in panic times , falling markets and bear markets and hold it with patience and conviction are the ones who make big money

The human behaviour is that people buy when everything looks good and sky becomes the limit , this greed and multiple flocks of people from all corners and ground starts trading and speaks, discuss about stock markets , mutual funds , sips and start believing and chasing easy money which is never easy and a big trap

Markets will never rise for ever nor fall for ever , its a phenomenon from ages , so be disciplined and buy value stocks

Dont trade in stock futures , dont sell options

Trade only with proper appetite in limited vanila options in index and stocks 

Buy and invest in value stocks

Accumulate silver which we have advised from many years , keep buying and accumulating in all dips , be it silver etf or physical as per comfort and need , but accumulate

We like and have mentioned few stocks several times Motilal oswal , national aluminium , nmdc , hindustan zinc ( silver + dividend) play, scilal to name a few which must be bought and accumulated at all dips and held in portfolio 

We have much more and appropriate strategy , make full use , dont be a spectator

Dont fear and panic as volatility and sharp ups and down will continue

Have a strategy , pick the value stocks and add on all dips and reap big money in next few months

Wish you all a very happy festive week ahead

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We start with a volatile day with two side moves in index and selling pressure in stocks a fiis figures sees record selling in the month of october

Technically the markets may continue to be in jittery mode for couple of days but we would accumulate strong rsi stocks like Tejas network , tata chemicals , indian hotels , national aluminium , nmdc to name a few which looks good for upsides

We see selling in private banks and are bearish on rbl bank , kotak bank , indusind bank

Calls and puts of the above are likely to outperform the markets

Coming to nifty and bank nifty , we will search for dips for a quick buy 

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Refer to our 9th september post in advance

October will be a tough month , we see major correction in stocks with poor fundamentals and froths where retail participation is high

Things will not end well... will be damaging 

Wealth will be made only in strong fundamental stocks with patience and conviction

Nifty and bank nifty will follow soon with dips 

Use the oppurtunity

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With the onset of auspicious Navratri we wish you all a peaceful , humble and health life ahead

The markets will feel jitters of global matters and that will continue for many months and that must not hamper the investment and trading conviction 

We still ask people to refrain from intraday trading in stock futures as markets are providing ample oppurtunities in cash , index and options

Just focus on strong sectors and those which will benefit from conflicts

We are advising buy in metals , oil and gas , commodity sector as we believe them to outperform in coming many days

Stocks such as Petronet lng , mgl , gail , ongc , jindal steel , jsw steel , national aluminium , hindalco . nmdc , hind zinc as a commodity play will provide ample oppurtunities in cash accumulation , option buying with closest out of money options

For index we will not be in a hurry to buy as pressure may increase

This is our strategy for our work for few days

And keep in mind... volatility will be high so focus and dont gamble

Money will be made in strategic positional calls in cash , options and index

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To keep it simple , global markets will effect Indian markets and the plain strategy remains to be in momentum stocks with a small hedge in index

One must always be ready for 20-30% correction in markets and must not be fazed by same as markets cannot continue to go up

However markets will continue to trick people who are looking to time the market and looking for substantial correction just for the sake of going up too much

Markets do not fall that way , it will keep frustrating short sellers and fill greed in long traders

Stay with momentum stocks and donot try to play useless big shorts or longs in futures

Look for sectors like metals , power , oil and gas

We believe cash , options buying ( not selling )  is the place which remains the beneficiary and will help investors build huge corpus

Dont gamble , invest and trade for short term

Avoid daily trades and intraday

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Navratri offer begins with upto 50% rebate on packages

Stocks to watch for the day for stipulating gains

Balrampur chini , exide inds , bpcl , titan , hindalco  in cash , futures and options

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Coming soon...

Sectors and stocks will change

Pattern will change

Trend will change

Sentiments will change

Commitments will change

Change is permanent

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Refer to our 9 September post, we have published the replica of markets in advance

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Volatile day ahead with buying in metals and finance , nbcc

Stocks like jindal steel , nalco , hind copper , jsw steel , bajaj hfl , geojit fin will see buying

Lic housing fin  , can fin homes , birla soft looks weak

Buying can be done in above stocks in calls and puts , cash as per capital

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Waiting for opportunity in current markets will reward, daily trading and forced trades will lead to haphazards

Hul ce zooms past 30

Ubl 2200 ce crosses 20

Bank nifty crosses 430

Nifty zooms past 150

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Ist stocks , midcaps , small caps , smes will witness correction , cracks 

Large caps will follow

Sensex and nifty will follow

New demat accounts will close , greedy traders and investors will vanish

Mutual funds will see redemption

This phase will be golden for disciplined investors with conviction , patience and vision

Be in right stock and space at right time

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Individual stocks and sectors to continue to outperform

Balrampur chini zooms past 45

Au bank ce zooms past 27

Nifty ce zooms above 230

Sundaram fin does 430

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New expiry new theme Sugar , gas and ethanol for now

Buy balrampurchini 600 ce

A multibagger cash stock M... a perfect setup to be stock of the decade...

Buy mgl , igl , bpcl

September may surprise on upper side , october onwards...

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We are looking for opportunities and waiting for same to take trades and investment

Hindalco zooms above 14

Nifty moves above 275

Indian hotel ce zooms above 15

Panacea biotech zooms above 250

More to come

morning thoughts...

Will leave index aside for few sessions and concentrate on stocks and stock specific

Jubilant foods , divis labs , hpcl , chambal fertilizers , adani wilmar , itc will be our top picks and buys in cash and options for few sessions

Index is likely to remain rangebound without much oppurtunity for trades

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Stocks to witness selling pressure...

Is a Black Friday awaiting...?

Or a surprise otherwise...

We have positioned ourselves

Dont miss oppurtunity , last day to avail independence day freedom offer upto 50%

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Trading and investing in blessing in disguise

Buy Suntv 800 pe

Buy nifty 24300 ce 14 august

Buy bank nifty 50200 ce 14 august

Buy voltas 1600 ce

Buy nifty and bank nifty

Buy sci

Buy jubilant foods 640 ce

Ignore the panic and buy the fear and above at market opening at 9.15 am and mint money and be enjoy the financial freedom

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INDEPENDENCE DAY WEK AHEAD AND OFFER

GET READY FOR THE FURIOUS RIDE AHEAD..

UPTO 50% REBATE ON PACKAGES

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Sell on rise is the strategy we are using now...

Topsy turvy ride ahead

Add your favourite stocks in a ladder manner or via sip manner , keep accumulating

Gloomy days are best for accumulation for rise in future

Days will be irritating , lack lustre , will test patience but will provide tremendous oppurtunities

We are adding the next outperformers in all dips

We are using sell on rise in index and buying at supports for dual moves which will be rapid and violent

Exciting and two side move days ahead unlike previous months

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Mega sure shot jackpot for the day

Buy Granules 620 ce , Tata communications 2000 ce

Torrent group - torrent power and torrent pharma

Buy in morning for superlative gains

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Some sectors and stocks that is likely to higher sides are oil and gas , power sector

Stocks like bpcl , ntpc , mgl , igl , sun tv , gail will do well and is a buy in options in the money strike

Index too remains a buy on dips in small quantities with appropriate stoplosses

We remain bullish on oil and gas , power for larger period going forward

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The budget week...

The following stocks are in our buying list from last week for upsides

Chambal fertilizers, indian hotels , gnfc , bhel , bpcl , ntpc in options and futures

Fertilizers , oil and gas will be the top gaining sector with all stocks seeking upsides

Index is set for surprises and big surprises ahead..

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Wherever bought will find a top... 

Mass distribution 

Index management

Long term opportunity

Time arriving soon for nifty and bank nifty

Next six months 5000 points one trend move in nifty and 10000 in bank nifty

Strategy of buying dips changes to buy sip

Sip for next 6 months 

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Markets will witness great monsoon swings in next 6 months

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Some stocks which are on our buy list Mtnl , just dial , india cements , ongc in cash and options

Nifty and bank nifty will inch higher with pressure in many midcaps and small caps

morning thoughts...

Excess brings cess which brings mess and reduces everyone in less

Tick tock race to mass distribution is now on in penny and worthless stocks , the race to correct before some more rise...?

Nifty will witness smooth fast steep move of 5000-6000 points along with a swing of 8000+ points in rest half of the year , bank nifty will see movements of 15000 points

If we mention stocks , we will be buyers in our buying list of high rsi , beta and thematic stories which will outperform the world in next 5 years , it is where wealth will be created

Junk and intraday players will lose everything...

If you missed the structural move of last 5 years , dont miss the next of the ending decade

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We are into the last day of the trading week and the best strategy will be to buy any dips if one gets in the morning in nifty and bank nifty

Coming to the stocks we are buyers and bullish on Raymonds , antony waste , beml , glenmark pharma, aurobindo pharma , bel , ongc, divis lab 

Pharma , oil and gas and IT will outperform the markets for many months to come

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Important month in terms of financial budget ahead 

Neglected and left out sectors are likely to out perform with selected psus

Technically nifty has supports at 24000 and bank nifty at 52100 with intermittent resistances at 24300 and 52500 respectively

Stocks like paper, chemicals, media, infra, oil and gas will see upward traction

Jk paper, orient paper, godrej property, motherson sumi, deepak Nitrite, mgl, sun tv are few picks for buys

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Markets will continue in a tight range with supports for the nifty at 23600 and bank nifty at 51700 and resistances at 24000 and 53000 respectively

Technically the markets ought to consolidate before the upcoming union budget in July

We will focus on few stocks for buying side in coming sessions in cash, futures and options

Lic hsg fin,  manappuram fin, nbcc, india cements, rec, blal remains our top picks for short term buys 

We may search shorts and puts in havells india, m&m, indian hotels

We will tickle index between the supports and resistances with buy near supports and shorts near resistances

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morning thoughts... 

Sectoral rotation, consolidation, corrections and recoveries will continue

It's never too late to invest and trade

Bank nifty ce does 1150 from 105

NFL does 151++ from 109

Chambal fertilizers ce does 65 + from 3.65

Bank nifty rises by 2500++ points

All fertilizers and specialty chemicals made new highs and top movers

Gnfc ce does 26++ from 3

morning thoughts... 

The days of big moves and profits in our operator, convert series, advance index and treasure hunt

morning thoughts... 

Time has come for our foresaid move to fruitify, we have already informed about the move and have taken positions in same

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Countdown begins for 5000 points in bank nifty and 3000 points in nifty initially...

Surprises ahead , bigger surprises after june and august- october

Enjoy the ride in midcaps , stocks options and index along with silver

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It's not necessary to trade everyday, one or two mega operator call can give profits of full 6 months

We are accummulating vedl and ashok leyland from past 25 days

Time is ripe for fruits to bore

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As we proceed the day of full moon we expect a volatile day with pendulum swing in markets and divergence creating a sense of confusion among traders

Incidentally thursday also remains as a weekly expiry day which will keep volatility at high

We decided to buy bank nifty option on wednesday along with few options in coal india , metropolis , bel and granules along with cash positions in irb infra and hind zinc

We remain bullish on commodities and precious metals silver and gold may see some pull back or reaction which remains an oppurtunity to buy and hold for much higher targets in days to come

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The markets continues its journey north but now we are into an rsi stretch zone with a day close to full moon day which can show an adverse reaction on markets in terms of volatlity and profit booking and many stocks can see corections in the coming session

However the mode of correction may not be in terms of percentage as they have risen , so one must use the dips to add stocks and in the money options 

Commodity as a cycle is up , metals , sugar , silver , gold all remains a buy for much higher targets in days to come

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We are nearing to the middle phase of elections and markets are in a jittery mood which is likely to continue for coming sessions

For the coming session we are bullish on M&M , apollo tyres , cg consumer , indigo and an attempt to buy for nifty and bank nifty options and index which we carry from thursday along with gail

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We are bullish on following stocks irrespective of markets, we have informed same from past 3 days in our posts

This is for our stocks and index 

For index we will try to buy more puts in nifty and bank nifty as vix is uncomfortable, we already hold big puts in nifty and bank nifty

Commodities we will buy and long silver, gold, crude and base metals, we believe a sharp rally ahead is coming

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Our top picks for may series are rec, pfc, nhpc, bhel, ashok leyland and m&m

We have m&m, bhel, ashok leyland, apollo tyre and manappuram fin from Friday itself

We will add rec and pfc 

We would buy rec, pfc, bhel, ashok leyland, m&m in futures and nearest call option strike with nhpc is cash

It can be well hedged with a 8 and 9 may put option in nifty and bank nifty, we did same on Friday 

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Monday will be a pull up day for markets and one must be long on index as we are from last week

Nifty and bank nifty will see a good rise on Monday as per our view and will move towards 22600 and 49000 respectively

Amongst the stocks we are bullish and buyers in chambal fertilizers, icici bank, ioc, hpcl, indian hotels, axis bank for the day

Some shorting and profit booking can be seen in stocks like hcl tech, sbi cards, dlf owing to result season

We are bullish on commodities like sugar, oil, gold, silver, metals which will make big money ahead for many months to come

May can see a hollow move in index soon... 

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Today is a dockyard of many events , our country goes into election in ist phase , global events are doomed with war events and being a friday people are worried about crash , markets are very close to gann reversal dates , but above all we feel that ...dont worry

Well we will give a simple advise today...

Buy the panic , buy the war , buy the friday 

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When fear looms and world glooms its time to buy in stocks

Today 9.15 am buy all metals , gas and gold stocks

Hindalco , sail , tata steel , vedanta , nalco , ongc , igl , mgl , senco gold and manappuram fin in cash , futures and options in large quantities

We will also add few longs in nifty , bank nifty and index options at opening

Gold and silver moving to multi decade new highs soon

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We wish you all a very auspicious Navratri, ugadi and a happy new year

Our Bank nifty 47000 ce 10  April now trades at 1800+++ given at 62

Nifty 22000 ce at 800++ given at 370

Hindcopper 305 ce trades above 55 given at 15

Tata steel 160 ce triples

Bank nifty 47600 ce triples

Nifty 22500 ce doubles

Vedanta 290 ce at 41+++ given at 11.75

Gail 180 ce trades at 25+++ given at 6

Patience pays and profits above 10 lacs in 10 days

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Our pre advanced calls in nifty, bank nifty call options, hindcopper, gail , vedl, tata steel all set for mega multi gains

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We have already intimated about our longs in index , nifty , bank nifty on thursdays post

We see a smacking move for the same

Heading for major moves in next many months from today , both up and down

For monday we continue to be long in index , nifty , bank nifty , metals , nbfcs

Hind copper , hindalco , muthoot finance , manappuram finance , jsw steel , indigo in cash futures and options 

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Holding few positions in nifty, bank nifty, indigo and gail

morning thoughts...

A truncated week ahead

We give you all a rocking week move calls , buy as per your capital and comfort

Tuesday Morning 

Cash stocks buy HT media , deep inds , electrosteel cast

Options Buy gail 175 ce , indigo 3300 ce

Futures Buy lal pathlabs , voltas

Index buy Nifty 22000 10 april , bank nifty 47000 10 april

Profits anticipated 5 lacs for the week

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Don't get surprised to see a more 50% fall in valueless stocks and 20-30% in value stocks

With patience and conviction buy when there is pessimism and blood on street as big money is made in buying the pessimism and selling optimism

We are in selective buying in cash stocks with trading in index and options

Strictly avoid stock futures for your well being

Accumulate value stocks and wait for the tide to turn... 

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15 march is a trip date every year and after that one must focus on individual sip in stocks as better days are always ahead , one just needs to have a horizon with vision and patience

Short term may attract volatility and sharp corrections but that must be used to buy value stocks and not cheap stocks as value stocks will rise sooner or later but cheap stocks will remain and become more cheap

Markets are providing good oppurtunity in many business and one must use this time to add on small and midcaps with low market capitilization which will turn out to be big in coming few years

People usually buy when euphoria is high and they wish to touch sky in 1-2 days , they sell and turn pessimist on every fall

Big money is always made by buying in pessimism and holding it for tide to turn

We advise to make fortunes by pessimism and not gambling in stock futures

Buy invest in stocks , trade in index and options , Stay away from stock futures

Some stocks to watch 

Navkar corp , reliance infra , tata steel , tata power ,manappuram fin to name a few

This stocks has value , no matter how much they fall

Similarly many stocks of high value are available now , grab them 

Avoid cheap and overvalued stocks that corrected now.....

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The black Friday the coming gloomy monday many falling Wednesdays and another black Friday... 

Sell on rise in Friday morning right at 9.15 am

This year will be counted as year of opportunity in only the new theme and sector unlike past year

Index will deceive

Don't miss the opportunity of next decade and life time, buy the new theme and stocks

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We in advance have declared the steep fall and correction in stocks without fall in index

Be ready and active for the biggest surprise of 5 years

Don't get astonished if one sees a fall of 2008 or 2000 for 50-70% 

Index will fool to help the fall..... 

2500 points move in nifty 5000 in bank nifty up or down...? 

March- April can be a life time opportunity for investors in stocks

Buy the new theme and not the old movers of past year

Mega mega mega opportunity ahead for march April

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Most confusive day ahead with midcaps set to crash on wednesday with strength in bank nifty and nifty 

Midcaps will crash from Wednesday...?

3000 points move in nifty and 6000 points in bank nifty coming soon

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Monday focus only on the following stocks as buy in morning opening

Bhel, bel, ntpc, gail, power grid

Buy in large quantities in futures, options and cash as per capacity

Few buys on Friday yields magnificent returns

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March onset will see rise in nifty of about 300-500 points and bank nifty 1000-1500 points in a day or two with laggards catching up

Buy Sail , tata steel , jsw steel , jindal steel , metropolis , pfc , rec , hindalco in bulk on friday in options , futures and cash along with nifty and bank nifty futures in morning for a perpendicular rise

Dont miss the oppurtunity

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Friday holds and important change astrologically and technically on gann parameters

Somewhere around 9.45 am markets may spike up to trap bulls and somewhere around 10.30 am shall give up the gains to open a way for bears and then again may spike around 10.45 am to trap bears ,this phenomenon will continue for the day throughout making it rough and tough for traders

Some stocks which looks tremendous to move up are Idea , indigo , irctc , indus towers and indian hotels

Yes all starts with I as astrologically it favours I

We are highly bullish on Indian hotels and indigo for futures and options

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Fridays fall and sharp cuts in stocks to continue further...

A blessing in disguise ahead with a pinhole..

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Illusion Friday ahead due to biggest annual Amavasya

Nifty and bank nifty may not fall or show correction however stocks will crack.... mostly in psus, pses and then broader markets

Sharp sharp sharp cuts in stocks and gains for put options

Enjoy the same and then add the 3TermM

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Our budget picks mentioned last week performed beyond expectations , now the markets may not prove to be falling by seeing the index but the broader markets may see sudden fall in many stocks and vice versa

However being with the belief and conviction of what one does or hold will get rewarded irrespective of several bumps and fire ahead...

Stocks which ought to do well in coming sessions are Biocon , metropolis , petronet lng ,mgl , tcs , hpcl to name a few 

Not much interested on shorts as of now

Few of our holdings from past week

morning thoughts...

Interim budget in sight

Some stocks for cash , futures and options 

Uma exports , Sci , Hudco , Nbcc , Power grid , Dabur

These stocks on long side in cash , futures and options

For shorts and sell side - Paytm , Ibull hsg fin , india cements

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In last days post we have mentioned few stocks and we remain with the same for gains in coming sessions

However we are into a weekly expiry and interim budget week , so volatility will be at peak and may see downsides in later half of the day which may be carried for the next day with higher volatility on thursday

Our last days mentioned stocks will outperform irrespective of market movement

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Interim budget week

Stocks on radar which have already been mentioned earlier Sjvn , nbcc , nhpc , irb infra , lic hsg fin , pnb , ongc , pfc to name a few which may see good gains in the coming sessions

Budget to power infra , hydro and construction

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Tuesday will bring the ist bouts of sell off from 9.30 am in the morning and will wide spread in all sectors and stocks slowly as the day progresses

Expect good cuts in stocks and indices ahead

Coming days are topsy turvy and we have already mentioned about the 5000 points nifty , 12000 points bank nifty , 50% move in stocks with 1000-2000% in options

As of today cuts will be sharp henceforth...

Amidst these lies the golden oppurtunity for bears bulls>

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Panic seen ahead on weekly expiry day in wee hours , use them to add nifty , bank nifty and stocks for the day

Good oppurunity if panic sets , buy for the day

Markets will lay oppurtunity in everything to the tune of 50% in index , stock futures and 5000% in options

A mile stone year ahead

Either keep watching or use the oppurtunity and rejoice when it ripes

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Index and markets will gap down on wednesday owing to geo political conditions , in such a situation we would like to avoid index trades and focus on stock specific as buy on dips in index may not be viable anymore and nifty and bank nifty may not recover and continue to add pressure

Our top go to buys are gail , on mobile global , nfl , sjvn , bhel, sci , bel , tv18 in cash futures and options

In such type of markets one needs to focus on low pe high beta stocks with clear balance sheet and osms

So we will focus only on above stocks and buy at ist instance of fall and gap down in markets

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Tuesday index might be in negative with volatility , buy on dips and sell on rallies

However we are interested in the broader markets and expect good movement in stocks

Picks for short term or immediate short term are National fertilizers nfl , National aluminium nalco , ujjivan sfb ,pnb and union bank

Amongst the above 3 trades in fo , so we see good upmoves in stock options of the same

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Wish you all a very Happy lohri , bihu , pongal and makar sakranti 

Sectoral moves to continue with budget insight fertilizers , railways stocks and metals to outperform the markets with gradual moves in psu banks

Stay in low pe and high beta cap stocks with shield to market jitters ahead

Some picks for swing trading and medium term investment Ongc 230 ce , wipro 500 ce , sjvn , nalco , gail , onmobile global , pnb , engineers india , irfc

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A high volatile day ahead with buy on dips and sell on rise day with two side moves for intraday traders, where shorts may get trapped in last hour of trade with a spike upwards after 2.30 pm

Overall a high volatile day with muted trades is likely to be seen as we move forward towards a turbulent period ahead with stock specific moves 

Donot expect oneside moves like the previous year and donot try to catch all the fishes 

Use the bad days to add the stocks mentioned for good returns ahead

Good pattern for day and swing traders in index , futures and options as volatility is traders best friend

Commodities to seek new highs and levels in coming days of the year in bullions and base metals with stubborness in energy

morning thoughts... 

Our few of many high conviction picks from few months before set to shower money

Rpower set for 30++ now along with new highs predicted well in advance for nifty

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Refrain from intraday trades in current markets or both long and short traders will face stoplosses

Stocks for swing trades for short term for cash stocks buys

Paradeep phosphates

Central bank

Maharshtra bank

Cesc

Gmdc

Engineers india

Sci

For Futures longs we like

Vedl

Bandhan bank

Manappuram fin

L&t fin

Canara bank

Indian hotels

Options of the same

Short term weakness may be witnessed in metals which can be used to add at dips

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